Clip Protection, Is that available?

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navarannan
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Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by navarannan » Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 am

Hi friends

I use a 4 band parametric equalizer, with the following settings.

Band 1, Low shelf - 100Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB
Band 2 - None
Band 3 - None
Band 4 -, High Shelf - 6000Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB

With this settings how do I make sure that over clipping will not occuer?
Is there an option for clip protection in Neutron?

Apprecite you help here. Cheers

blaubär
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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by blaubär » Wed May 17, 2023 4:55 am

navarannan wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 am
Is there an option for clip protection in Neutron?
Yes, there is the Automatic Gain Protection .
navarannan wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 am
I use a 4 band parametric equalizer, with the following settings.

Band 1, Low shelf - 100Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB
Band 2 - None
Band 3 - None
Band 4 -, High Shelf - 6000Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB

With this settings how do I make sure that over clipping will not occuer?
In your example: reducing the preamp by 5dB might work as well.

navarannan
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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by navarannan » Wed May 17, 2023 8:05 am

blaubär wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 4:55 am
navarannan wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 am
Is there an option for clip protection in Neutron?
Yes, there is the Automatic Gain Protection .
navarannan wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 1:19 am
I use a 4 band parametric equalizer, with the following settings.

Band 1, Low shelf - 100Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB
Band 2 - None
Band 3 - None
Band 4 -, High Shelf - 6000Hz, Q = 1.5 & Gain = 5dB

With this settings how do I make sure that over clipping will not occuer?
In your example: reducing the preamp by 5dB might work as well.
Thanks for this. Reset on new track setting is a bit confusing.

Should I enable it or disable it if I want the clip protection to remain for all tracks played.

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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by blaubär » Wed May 17, 2023 11:13 am

navarannan wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 8:05 am
Reset on new track setting is a bit confusing.
Should I enable it or disable it if I want the clip protection to remain for all tracks played.
For the protection to take place that doesn't matter. If you activate reset and AGP has to act then the dynamically activated preamp will be reset at the beginning of the next track, meaning that if this track also turns out to produce clipping AGP will act again as it did for the previous track. If you don't reset then this preamp setting will stay, meaning that even if the next track doesn't need an adapted preamp it will have it anyway.

IMHO it might be easier to use plan B: explicitly set the preamp to prevent the clipping in the first place.

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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by blaubär » Wed May 17, 2023 3:06 pm

Another possibility would be Neutron's normalization function :

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WitzyZed
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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by WitzyZed » Wed May 17, 2023 6:27 pm

I'd like to point out that the pre-amp gain upon next track doesn't always reset to the set level. I'd need to fiddle more to reproduce steps, but it often only resets to the set level if the previous track has played in its entirety. If a track is skipped, oftentimes the previous AGP adjustment remains exactly.

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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by blaubär » Thu May 18, 2023 4:40 am

WitzyZed wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 6:27 pm
I'd like to point out that the pre-amp gain upon next track doesn't always reset to the set level. I'd need to fiddle more to reproduce steps, but it often only resets to the set level if the previous track has played in its entirety. If a track is skipped, oftentimes the previous AGP adjustment remains exactly.
Perhaps that depends on "Settings > User Interface > Rewind Track" :
dmitrykos wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:43 pm
Hi,

> what the slider in User Interface > Rewind Track does ?

It sets threshold for the track progress after which Neutron will rewind track to its beginning if Prev if pressed, if below this threshold then Neutron will switch to previous track.
So you could check whether the reset taking place depends on the threshold for the track's progress having been reached.

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Re: Clip Protection, Is that available?

Post by WitzyZed » Sun May 21, 2023 4:57 am

blaubär wrote:
Thu May 18, 2023 4:40 am
WitzyZed wrote:
Wed May 17, 2023 6:27 pm
I'd like to point out that the pre-amp gain upon next track doesn't always reset to the set level. I'd need to fiddle more to reproduce steps, but it often only resets to the set level if the previous track has played in its entirety. If a track is skipped, oftentimes the previous AGP adjustment remains exactly.
Perhaps that depends on "Settings > User Interface > Rewind Track" :
dmitrykos wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:43 pm
Hi,

> what the slider in User Interface > Rewind Track does ?

It sets threshold for the track progress after which Neutron will rewind track to its beginning if Prev if pressed, if below this threshold then Neutron will switch to previous track.
So you could check whether the reset taking place depends on the threshold for the track's progress having been reached.
My rewind track % is set to a value of 2. So not the hardest threshold to meet.

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