Shanling M7 Support

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gluon
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Shanling M7 Support

Post by gluon » Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:09 pm

Thank you for this amazing app!

I couldn't find if the Shanking M7 is fully supported. The app works fine on my device using the arm64 neon build. I can provide any debug info or logcats if it helps.

Cheers!

blaubär
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by blaubär » Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm

gluon wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:09 pm
I couldn't find if the Shanking M7 is fully supported. The app works fine on my device using the arm64 neon build. I can provide any debug info or logcats if it helps.
Well, ist anything missing ? Can you use high resolution output ?

gluon
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by gluon » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:14 pm

blaubär wrote:
Sat Jan 07, 2023 7:16 pm
gluon wrote:
Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:09 pm
I couldn't find if the Shanking M7 is fully supported. The app works fine on my device using the arm64 neon build. I can provide any debug info or logcats if it helps.
Well, ist anything missing ? Can you use high resolution output ?
I've never used Neutron before, however all features that I have tried seem to work fine.. I just thought maybe there were options that only appeared if the device was specifically identified. Cheers

WitzyZed
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by WitzyZed » Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:52 am

Settings -> Playback, Profile, & Audio Hardware would be worthwhile settings to go through.

blaubär
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by blaubär » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:59 am

Yep. If "Audio Hardware > Frequency" shows all the sampling rates that the device is supposed to support that would hint at Neutron supporting the device.

gluon
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by gluon » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:10 pm

blaubär wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:59 am
Yep. If "Audio Hardware > Frequency" shows all the sampling rates that the device is supposed to support that would hint at Neutron supporting the device.
Yeah looks good!

The one thing I noticed is on Audio Hardware menu at the top in the Bits section.. It says 64 (out: 24 int) and shouldn't it show 64 (out: 32 int) since my DAC can output 32? Or is that configurable elsewhere?

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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by blaubär » Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:26 pm

gluon wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:10 pm
The one thing I noticed is on Audio Hardware menu at the top in the Bits section.. It says 64 (out: 24 int) and shouldn't it show 64 (out: 32 int) since my DAC can output 32? Or is that configurable elsewhere?
Depends on the hardware and whether bluetooth is used. On some bluetooth implementations Neutron uses 24-bit int, on some 32-bit floating point. When in doubt ask neutronmp@gmail.com .

Btw: more than 24 bit is of no use anyway ( for listening purposes ), also see here.
What Is 32-Bit Audio? Do We Really Need It?

We have inaudible noise with 16-bit audio and better editing with 24-bit audio, but what's the deal with 32-bit audio? You get 4,294,967,296 different combinations of binary digits with 32-bit audio, but is that really necessary? To be honest, not really.

The only real benefit of 32-bit audio is the added headroom when it comes to editing. While you get less distortion with 32-bit audio, you have enough headroom with 24-bit audio with room to spare. The differences between bit depths are inaudible and not really worth the hype.

MotleyG
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by MotleyG » Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:59 pm

blaubär wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:26 pm
Btw: more than 24 bit is of no use anyway ( for listening purposes ), also see here.
Kind of a subjective article linked, as there has been extended debate about this for decades going both ways. This is no different than the advancement of video with 480i, then 720p, 1080p, 4k UHD, and now even 8k emerging. The clear benefits (pun intended?) have been noticed once the content itself has been adopted, and on screens that are now affordably available at sizes at 97" and larger. But these would be far less relevant on the 27" tube TV I watched when I was growing up.

So if more audio is natively mastered in 24 and 32 bit depth and rates upwards of 384kHz and beyond have a perceived benefit - that is up to the listener to decide. Ultimately the source and the hardware will always be a chicken and egg game. Fortunately Neutron is up to the task!

WitzyZed
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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by WitzyZed » Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:03 pm

gluon wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:10 pm
The one thing I noticed is on Audio Hardware menu at the top in the Bits section.. It says 64 (out: 24 int) and shouldn't it show 64 (out: 32 int) since my DAC can output 32? Or is that configurable elsewhere?
Although it's primary use would be in preparing a record for distribution on a given format and its limitations (IE Redbook CD), the Dithering/Noise-Shaping option in Neutron wouldn't hurt, here. If your device wasn't capable of Hi-Res at all, and you had >16bit files, this would be helpful. If you have any(?) >24bit files, any quantization noise (if even audible) would be remedied in that case, too.

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Re: Shanling M7 Support

Post by blaubär » Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:21 pm

MotleyG wrote:
Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:59 pm
Kind of a subjective article linked, as there has been extended debate about this for decades going both ways. This is no different than the advancement of video with 480i, then 720p, 1080p, 4k UHD, and now even 8k emerging. The clear benefits (pun intended?) have been noticed once the content itself has been adopted, and on screens that are now affordably available at sizes at 97" and larger. But these would be far less relevant on the 27" tube TV I watched when I was growing up.

So if more audio is natively mastered in 24 and 32 bit depth and rates upwards of 384kHz and beyond have a perceived benefit - that is up to the listener to decide. Ultimately the source and the hardware will always be a chicken and egg game. Fortunately Neutron is up to the task!
I agree: subjectively motivated. But not without reason, as e.g. here. The comparison with the video is problematic, though : there is consensus that the human eye can see 4K or 8K, and that is missing for the question whether human ears can hear high resolution audio. But of course that is for the listener to decide, as you rightfully state.

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