Chance to get loudness compensation?

[JoonSumisu]

Hello Neutron

So recently, I try the airpods pro 2, which got certain level of loudness compensation, which works interesting and makes sense to me why some hi-end dac got it.

I know the loudness compensation function in app based on system volume may not function well, it may need to be adjusted by individual to individual, but it is something exciting to me, and there is not an app that can do it.

Best

[blaubär]

So recently, I try the airpods pro 2, which got certain level of loudness compensation, which works interesting and makes sense to me why some hi-end dac got it.

I know the loudness compensation function in app based on system volume may not function well, it may need to be adjusted by individual to individual, but it is something exciting to me, and there is not an app that can do it.

What would you expect a loudness correction to do ? Offset the loudness-frequency-dependency of human hearing ?

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The problem with these "loudness-corrections" ( if it's that what I think you want ) is that it is not clear ( from the prespective of the music player app ) what signal level will result in what final loudness for the listener's ears, so a simple on/off-switch wouldn' suffice, but one would have to add some calibration.

[blaubär]

How could this be implemented ? Perhaps by adding yet another equalizer ( beside EQ and FRC ) with say a dozen presets that represent the loudness-intensity-curve at different levels. And then perhaps a coupling of the hardware gain to these presets, which would yet have to be calibrated as to its minimum and maximum values ... or one presest which strength would be regulated ... something like this. A preset "loudness" already exists :

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[JoonSumisu]

Thank a lot blaubär,

Yeah..... I did some research, now the apple's loudness-corrections is something very general and tied with the hardware, means the software knowing how loud the hardware make.

for personal loudness-corrections, it requires a very very complex testing, even with the general loudness-corrections, I still need to test how loud my headphone make in different system volume.

seen the day of ultimate sound is closing to us

[blaubär]

seen the day of ultimate sound is closing to us

Well, if you play the music in roughly the volume that it is intended to be heard with then you don't need the correction.

[Bow_Wazoo]

Are there any plans for Neutron, to implement loudness correction like Apo equalization does?

If not, do you know of an app that would allow this on Android?

[blaubär]

Could you elaborate - what is "loudness correction like Apo equalization does" ?

[Bow_Wazoo]

Loudness Correction is a feature that adjusts the frequency response of the audio signal according to the human perception of loudness at different sound levels.

This means that at low volume levels, the bass and treble may sound weak or dull, with the midrange dominating the spectrum. Loudness Correction can boost the low and high frequencies depending on the volume to create a more balanced and natural sound.

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https://youtu.be/qIXivIfILw4?si=xDKi9SI6c8nIYsS8

[MotleyG]

Loudness Correction is a feature that adjusts the frequency response of the audio signal according to the human perception of loudness at different sound levels.

This means that at low volume levels, the bass and treble may sound weak or dull, with the midrange dominating the spectrum. Loudness Correction can boost the low and high frequencies depending on the volume to create a more balanced and natural sound.

So what you are requesting is an equalizer that shifts based on each volume step in Neutron? That can be quite ambitious given the number of steps. And this does not account for external influences on the levels, such as hi efficiency headphones, or use separate DACs or amplifiers.

[Bow_Wazoo]

Yes, that's right.
That requires a measurement first, and that the volume is regulated by the relevant program.

Well, as I said, Apo equalizer supports this function. Unfortunately, this program is not available for Android.

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